tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2407860233068036900.post8676261534463071897..comments2024-03-22T22:33:42.207-04:00Comments on Everyday Debate: LD Nov/Dec 2014 - Right to Be Forgotten - IntroductionJames Kellamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09983375909180219240noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2407860233068036900.post-51891763344075472472014-11-30T18:58:50.414-05:002014-11-30T18:58:50.414-05:00I don't see your idea as a counter-plan becaus...I don't see your idea as a counter-plan because it does not really compete with the Aff position. I see no reason why, even if it is a human right it should not also be a civil right. You can look at some alternative ideas, however. A counter-plan can be based upon a change in actors or process, change in action, or an exception (usually a limited or narrow application of the 'plan'). Based on this, consider a change in action. For example, the Neg can claim the idea proposed by Aff (removal from search engines) cannot work because the data holder still retains the data. A better idea ('plan") is to extend the right to include removal by data holders which is the only way to actually solve the problem. So, since Aff can not really solve there is no reason it should be a civil right.James Kellamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09983375909180219240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2407860233068036900.post-2723239953750107082014-11-30T08:31:21.234-05:002014-11-30T08:31:21.234-05:00Would it be possible to say on Neg as a counter pl...Would it be possible to say on Neg as a counter plan that this is a human right and not civil right? I feel like this a good way to throw off some rookie debaters in tourneys.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07387723765664415851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2407860233068036900.post-85556059686449738052014-11-09T17:46:03.340-05:002014-11-09T17:46:03.340-05:00Consequentialism as a VC is not the issue. (I did ...Consequentialism as a VC is not the issue. (I did not know what "consequentialism through practicality" means so I called it out.) I think one can claim morality based upon outcomes (consequences) such as Kant's Categorical Imperative. However, while both consequentialism and utlitarianism can be viewed as moral philosophies, I believe it better to have a VC which is specific to the case contentions (e.g. protecting personal liberty, enabling rational choices, etc). I also think the three contentions are doable (although maybe better to consider two of them based on time constraints of the negative constructive). The problem I see is working that set of contentions with the value of morality. Personally I think either the value must change or the contentions must change. Understand, this is only my opinion based on personal experience.James Kellamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09983375909180219240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2407860233068036900.post-45632989770676151062014-11-09T16:56:44.234-05:002014-11-09T16:56:44.234-05:00Yeah, our debate team leader suggested consequentu...Yeah, our debate team leader suggested consequentualism. I'm just personally having a hard time connecting it back to the vc that can achieve morality.what vc are suggestable? I was also considering utilitarianism. As far as my contentions go, is it to far of a stretch trying to argue all three of those in one LD round?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2407860233068036900.post-537924941793575412014-11-09T14:31:31.659-05:002014-11-09T14:31:31.659-05:00I have no problem with morality as a value. Others...I have no problem with morality as a value. Others are using it also based on the "ought" wording of the resolution. You need to explain "consequentialism through practicality" because in many years of doing this, I have never hear of it. I can tell you, in my opinion, morality as determined by a consequentialist world-view serves as a moral theory for individuals, though one may be bold enough to apply it with respect to governments or societies. The major issue I see, is the link between the value framework and proposed contentions are difficult for me to see. For example, would you claim it is immoral to grant an unenforceable right, or immoral to not totally remove data or immoral to upset the foundational principle of the internet? In my opinion, based upon the proposed contentions, you may want to consider what other values are harmed by your three contentions.James Kellamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09983375909180219240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2407860233068036900.post-58151884603700015632014-11-08T14:58:09.687-05:002014-11-08T14:58:09.687-05:00I am going to be take negg side for the LD topic. ...I am going to be take negg side for the LD topic. With my value as morality since "ought" is in the resolution (i'm defining as moral obligation) so morality is most preferable. for my vc i'm using consequentualism through practicality. some neg extensions i'm looking into are 1.) there are many obstale to enoforcing this right successfully (such as problems for search engines) 2.)it's unclear if the right to be forgotten can effectively ensure total removal of data and the identification of when data no longer becomes useful and 3.) this right upsets a foundational priciple regarding oppenness the the internet (with regards to this right infringing on freedom of expression and it turing the internet into censors......any thoughts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2407860233068036900.post-6050248059249170002014-11-06T21:18:00.027-05:002014-11-06T21:18:00.027-05:00“Privacy: A Philosophical Overview”, Aspects of Pr...“Privacy: A Philosophical Overview”, Aspects of Privacy Law, ed. D. Gibson, Butterworth, 1980.<br />James Kellamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09983375909180219240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2407860233068036900.post-33589579455243484692014-11-06T20:48:26.615-05:002014-11-06T20:48:26.615-05:00may i know the name of the book, from that link yo...may i know the name of the book, from that link you had given ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2407860233068036900.post-26449254591517168602014-11-06T20:45:37.094-05:002014-11-06T20:45:37.094-05:00what book is that link from if i may ask ?
what book is that link from if i may ask ?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2407860233068036900.post-26330295192152361752014-11-05T20:44:45.371-05:002014-11-05T20:44:45.371-05:00I suggest modifying your VC to something like &quo...I suggest modifying your VC to something like "preserving (or protecing) privacy". Of course you should work with your coach who can probably help you straighten out the case. If for some reason that is not possible, then think about this. Your case should have a narrative. In other words it should flow from beginning to end like an essay in which your contentions are major points you are making in the essay narrative as you move from opening remarks to final conclusion. You would be less likely to repeat yourself if you simply relate a story from beginning to end - of course it is structured - but it is cohesive and progresses ever forward to conclusion.James Kellamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09983375909180219240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2407860233068036900.post-62485843238237179552014-11-05T20:14:18.584-05:002014-11-05T20:14:18.584-05:00my v is human dignity and v/c is privacy. im aff, ...my v is human dignity and v/c is privacy. im aff, when im making my sub point i feel like im being really repetitive and just going in circles. Any suggestions?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2407860233068036900.post-38472071162726061122014-11-03T21:18:31.505-05:002014-11-03T21:18:31.505-05:00That is not an easy request. It's kind of lik...That is not an easy request. It's kind of like, what is the philosophy of life. First of all, the concept of privacy is not easy to define and secondly, there are few philosophers who have formulated any theories specific to privacy because as a value, it encapsulates many desirable conditions or states od being. I think rather than leave you with nothing, I can suggest you look at <a href="http://umanitoba.ca/faculties/arts/departments/philosophy/ethics/media/privacy_-_a_philosophical_overview.pdf" rel="nofollow">this link</a>.James Kellamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09983375909180219240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2407860233068036900.post-72095140975189710612014-11-03T14:10:38.848-05:002014-11-03T14:10:38.848-05:00I think im going to use privacy as my value. I nee...I think im going to use privacy as my value. I need a good philosophy to support though. Can you give me an example?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2407860233068036900.post-45672530938391809672014-10-28T22:06:52.537-04:002014-10-28T22:06:52.537-04:00I think you can easily argue that both human right...I think you can easily argue that both human rights and civil rights are strongly linked to preserving human dignity and civil rights are granted to preserve human rights within the context of an orderly and cooperative society. So yeah, it can work.<br />James Kellamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09983375909180219240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2407860233068036900.post-35548058087515362032014-10-28T16:50:22.885-04:002014-10-28T16:50:22.885-04:00Its for my aff case.. I was thinking of defending ...Its for my aff case.. I was thinking of defending "human rights" because they link directly to human dignity and having a general definition of human rights that encompasses civil rights as well... would that work?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2407860233068036900.post-91062501319572302832014-10-28T15:52:02.638-04:002014-10-28T15:52:02.638-04:00Is your case Aff or Neg? The answer to your first ...Is your case Aff or Neg? The answer to your first question depends on the definition of "rights" in your VC. Are those VC rights, given rights or natural rights? I assume you are defending given rights (i.e. civil rights) on the Affirmative, in which case natural rights may not be relevant but without seeing your case, I don't know for sure.James Kellamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09983375909180219240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2407860233068036900.post-72836815772628942882014-10-28T12:44:59.585-04:002014-10-28T12:44:59.585-04:00so in my case, should i specify how a civil right ...so in my case, should i specify how a civil right is different from a natural right? also i am using human dignity as my value with protection of rights as my v/c.. how does the definition of civil right come into play with that value structure?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com